Some Fall Out of Vogue. Gabriella Karefa-Johnson Jumped.

Gabriella Karefa-Johnson on surviving Ye, quitting Condé Nast and speaking her mind.

Lelanie Foster for The New York Times

When Gabriella Karefa-Johnson, the fashion editor-personality who became famous as the first Black woman to style a Vogue cover (in 2021) and even more famous after she got into a social media brouhaha with Kanye West, was interviewing for her first big fashion job at Vogue, she ended up, not surprisingly, in front of Anna Wintour.

Ms. Wintour asked Ms. Karefa-Johnson where she wanted to be in 10 years. Ms. Karefa-Johnson answered — as Ms. Wintour once had, when asked a similar question — editor in chief of Vogue.

Almost exactly a decade later,

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